SABITA SAHU : Indian civilization always prided in
moral purity. But in Independent India we experience the opposite of it. People
are corrupt, morally bankrupt and spiritually empty. Can there be any explanation for this change?
PRAFULLA MOHANTY : I think you
are too simplistic in your observation. Ofcourse you are right, there is
corruption in all spheres of life. But do you think in the hoary past Indians
were angelic?
S.S :
No, not angelic but they were god fearing and law abiding. They never
ran after power and pelf.
P.K.M : Turn the pages of history. In every page you will see a king or a strong
man aspiring for things which are not legitimately his. The epics- Ramayana and
Mahabharata are full of such illustrations. Greed leads to corruption-
S.S : But the epics demonstrate how evil is trounced by good. Corruption has
no place in society. Ofcourse corruption is there but the epics teach us how to eradicate it and how to have a just
society.
P.K.M :
Then why the Indians, the proud inheritors of the Vedic and Epic culture
of our great past are today at number 89 in the corruption ranking of the
world?
S.S :
That’s why I asked. Why do you think corruption exists?
P.K.M : Because
we wish it to exist. Man is not naturally self-sufficient in everything but he is full of
desires. He would greed for power which naturally corrupts. He would desire for
money which often leads to moral perversion. Lust is perhaps the worst form of
corruption. It destroys Troys and Lankas-
S.S : Let us confine ourselves to economic
crimes like bribe-taking and giving-
P.K.M : Yes, bribe giving is the beginning of corruption. I give a bribe to
someone to get what I don’t deserve. Thereby I also deny the rightful person
his due.
S.S : Yes the third rate students bribe
teachers to get the highest marks. But I blame the teachers who accept the
bribe to do injustice to the meritorious students.
P.K.M :
Yes you are right, But some people think money and power can buy
prestige and social standing. They use that power on those who are greedy.
S.S : But
when I see the MP’s and MLA’s being bought my blood boils. They are people’s
representatives. Why do they greed for money and power when they already have
them?
P.K.M : Because they have no soul force. They
value these mundane things more than integrity, character and personality.
Inside they are all paupers and sell themselves for false social pride.
S.S :
But false social pride can never satisfy the soul-
P.K.M : Provided
they have souls. The seat of the soul is at the centre of a multisensory
person’s activities.
S.S :
Yes Gary Zukav tells us that, But a normal person should accept his lot and
be satisfied with what he has-
P.K.M :
Why should he? When he sees people could be duped, fooled and cheated like
Yudhistira, he plays Shakuni.
S.S :
Yudhistira should not have played the dice game in the first place.
P.K.M :
But the desire to gamble and get things which may come easily is
difficult to resist. Desire asThe Buddha said is the root cause of man’s sorrow,
everyone knows it but goes to put his finger in fire.
S.S :
If you don’t put your finger in fire how will you know that fire burns?
(laughing) Evil I think is more attractive than good.
P.K.M :
Yes. Gurucharan Das’s treatment of the Mahabharata is called- The
difficulty of being good- good compels hard work, discipline and basically
renunciation which is difficult to practice.
S.S :
But we have so many laws and law enforcing agencies yet corruption is, like a birth mark never leaves the body. In India the politicians are mostly
corrupt-
P.K.M :
Not only in India, all over the world. Politicians, bureaucrats and even
the smallest man in society. Moral chastity, one may say, is lack of opportunity.
S.S :
O’ This is an extremist statement.
P.K.M :
Nevertheless true.
S.S :
Is there no cure? Can we not eradicate corruption from the society.
P.K.M : We can, If we do not desire for ease,
comfort, luxury or power,but we have
to settle for less. Are you prepared to settle for less?
S.S :
Maybe not but we can live within our means.
P.K.M : Look here Sabita, If there is a Seven Star Hotel you would like to go at least once.
S.S :
So there should not be a Seven Star Hotel?
P.K.M :
Yes, create them but make it accessible to everyone. If there is heaven we would like to go there. We create dreams, We
imagine and create luxury and we want to have a share of that luxury.
S.S :
So don’t dream, just live. Don’t you think that will be absolutely
boring?
P.K.M :
You have to choose between boredom and Seven Star Dreams.
S.S :
(smilingly) Yes I get the point.
Thank You.